TSMC’s Speciality Technologies
sydthrowaway 2021-08-16 10:19:32 +0000 UTC [ - ]
lordnacho 2021-08-16 11:02:37 +0000 UTC [ - ]
TSMC is admittedly must bigger but like these types of firms, they don't need to tell everyone how important they are.
ren_engineer 2021-08-16 17:11:17 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Little things like that seem small but are huge, because the same skills for that type of precision can also be applied to military and other areas
bluGill 2021-08-16 12:41:20 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Of course I'm not sure that intel really cares that the common person knows their name. All the marketing could be aimed at the Cxx of Dell/HP/... and the reason the rest of use see those ads is because they can't be sure the few people they target.
User23 2021-08-16 23:42:09 +0000 UTC [ - ]
The German reputation for precision engineering is certainly well-deserved. Part of this is because their economic system is designed to support these kinds of businesses. Surgical equipment is another great example.
omegalulw 2021-08-17 08:28:33 +0000 UTC [ - ]
ezconnect 2021-08-16 12:49:02 +0000 UTC [ - ]
JoachimS 2021-08-16 13:59:23 +0000 UTC [ - ]
As an example, TSMC design their own gates, including how they are structured and created on the die. This means developing each process step.
davidjytang 2021-08-17 15:16:20 +0000 UTC [ - ]
mhh__ 2021-08-16 11:24:40 +0000 UTC [ - ]
I work for a hedge fund, we have almost no online presence because it just isn't relevant to what the company gets up to.
ren_engineer 2021-08-16 17:17:19 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Credit to Taiwan's government for realizing how crucial semiconductors would be and investing in it as a national security strategy. The value of having engineers instead of lawyers leading your nation. A company 95+% of the world wouldn't recognize by name is probably the most important company in the world
xyzzy21 2021-08-16 16:24:25 +0000 UTC [ - ]
B2B market dynamics have almost nothing in common with consumer markets. Sales for example is 100% "direct" - you knock on doors and visit to close deals in-person. You can use Zoom et al. but it's only effective once the sale is pretty mature. Most selling is highly technical and requires a face-to-face conversation plus hands-on "proof of value" in "real-time". Such conversations "weave and dodge" like a boxing match so you have to think, respond and sell on your feet. A passive web page or data sheet PDF is merely the 1% of the conversation required to close a deal.
You (in both marketing and sales roles) literally know all the companies in the competitive and customer space, however.
As a result, broadcast advertising is pretty much a waste of money because EVERYONE in such industries has a black book with every person who matters to their product purchase decisions in it and it's not that thick either. The marketing and selling process has so many intangibles and goodwill that this is the only way it works. This is also why direct sales is so high paying as a profession.
In just one area we sell into, there are literally 100 people on the planet who know anything about the market space. The market cap happens to be $10B-$25B depending on what you include so it's well worth the effort.
I literally know ALL my competitor and customer employees by name because I've worked with most of them over a career.
So if I want to sell something, I just contact the right people, arrange a meeting and if my pitch, process and product are good, I'll get the sales. It does require work along the way but once you have it down, it's a lot of "turning the crank" mentally, emotionally and socially.
We're rolling out a new piece of semiconductor manufacturing equipment and that exactly how I closed our first sales.
Of course the product sales cycle is anywhere from 3-18 months because it's heavy capital equipment. Sign-off is generally at a VP or CEO level and an elaborate buying process exists.
Our unit prices range from $30K-$1.5M so this is never going to be something you buy with e-commerce and a credit card. At least not until our installed base is big enough. But that's only companies like TSMC - they still nit and negotiate then so it's still not a "credit card" simple purchase.
The point of all of this is ALL of TSMC's customers are just like ours (TSMC is also one of our customers): every TSMC foundry deal is starting at 6-figures and if you can't play that ante, you'll never be a TSMC customer.
Again they don't have that many customers so most marketing and sales is utterly different from anything seen in consumer markets.
And everyone comes to them because of their brand value which has been top-notch for decades now - they literally have to turn business away.
didntknowya 2021-08-17 04:43:18 +0000 UTC [ - ]
baybal2 2021-08-16 10:27:29 +0000 UTC [ - ]
If the world will be left without modern semi manufacturing, it will rm -rf half of the NASDAQ by default.
I feel it's the Silicon Valley itself which needs to acknowledge how insignificant they are in the bigger picture of things.
If I were some big "tech" company head like of Facebook, Amazon, Google, I would've at least gave a look how much the microchip supply chain can trip their companies.
Tan Hock Eng has over the last 5 years bought almost every major network gear chipmaker, and is now holding the entirety of the "cloud" industry under gunpoint for example. The "cloud" guys might be now spending more money on switches than on CPUs.
Now imagine, somebody else will rollup something equally critical.
DSingularity 2021-08-16 11:05:41 +0000 UTC [ - ]
baybal2 2021-08-16 11:16:04 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Intel makes very timid inroads into high end switching chips with Tofino, and that's it.
kingosticks 2021-08-16 12:32:02 +0000 UTC [ - ]
doctorsher 2021-08-16 13:46:49 +0000 UTC [ - ]
tux1968 2021-08-16 09:13:08 +0000 UTC [ - ]
pclmulqdq 2021-08-16 12:44:10 +0000 UTC [ - ]
The good thing about this is that capacity in "cutting-edge" fans will be lower and lower every year as more products find a "home" node that balances price and performance.
monocasa 2021-08-16 17:21:12 +0000 UTC [ - ]
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/tsmcs-wafer-prices-reveale...
Maybe this idea came from the industry not fully internalizing the consolidation in the space and how much competition for wafers affects the initial price of a new node?
formerly_proven 2021-08-16 12:51:11 +0000 UTC [ - ]
> Generally, TSMC’s speciality technologies portfolio includes MEMS, CMOS Image Sensor, Embedded NVM, RF, Analog, High Voltage, and BCD-Power processes.
icegreentea2 2021-08-16 11:08:37 +0000 UTC [ - ]
All of this means theres tremendous value in exploiting mature processes. And it's going to continue to be this way for quite a long time based on all the trendlines and projections that the big players put out.
aceoperations00 2021-08-18 01:24:49 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Innovation in semiconductors takes many forms, not just pushing to lower transistor nodes.
beebeepka 2021-08-16 09:38:55 +0000 UTC [ - ]
I don't really understand this business, or any business really, so don't take my word for it
mschuster91 2021-08-16 13:09:08 +0000 UTC [ - ]
ASML, a Dutch company, is at the core of TSMCs success. But the machines are only one part of the ecosystem... the buildings to house them are incredibly expensive because you need the cleanest of clean rooms you can get, and then you need expert staff to operate these, and since there isn't much of a domestic chip industry any more in the Western countries, that knowledge has long ago moved off to Taiwan and South Korea.
And on top of that, Western wages are extremely high and environmental regulations are extremely strict after half of Silicon Valley became a superfund site from all the stuff that leeched into the soil from decades of chipmaking.
craigjb 2021-08-16 15:47:33 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Just wanted to add that since I see people only mention ASML often here. They are very important, but there is so much more to TSMC’s success.
baybal2 2021-08-16 10:16:35 +0000 UTC [ - ]
EUV productivity is a big problem. Currently machines are stopped every few shifts for cleaning tin from mirrors. Even without that, light sources never managed to live to the original power output promise.
There are few known ways to produce EUV light besides tin plasma.
One is in using some plasmonic quantum processes, I can't even fathom how to describe, to produce microwatts of EUV. The other is a free electron laser to produce potentially kilowatts of it non-stop.
The later approach requires to build the whole fab around a synchrotron, a commitment currently nobody can take even with current surreal capex numbers.
craigjb 2021-08-16 17:09:39 +0000 UTC [ - ]
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