Colorado River drops to record low levels, slashing Arizona’s water supply
sparker72678 2021-08-17 19:00:07 +0000 UTC [ - ]
asaddhamani 2021-08-17 18:49:28 +0000 UTC [ - ]
COvid has shown us that things can be happening right in front of peoples faces and they will still not do the right thing.
We are supposed to be in an ice age currently and some reading on Wikipedia suggested that while the earth will recover without human presence, the next few glacial periods will be skipped.
kilroy123 2021-08-17 19:51:24 +0000 UTC [ - ]
It seems obvious we're going to need more rain or snow in many parts of the world.
It also seems like a tough thing to control, so we might as well get started studying it now.
dillondoyle 2021-08-17 20:59:40 +0000 UTC [ - ]
loopz 2021-08-17 20:12:43 +0000 UTC [ - ]
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loopz 2021-08-18 05:08:44 +0000 UTC [ - ]
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sabareesh 2021-08-17 18:42:57 +0000 UTC [ - ]
allturtles 2021-08-17 19:24:13 +0000 UTC [ - ]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alva_B._Adams_Tunnel
The problem is that even once you cross the mountains to the Mississippi catchment, there isn't much water on the east side for hundreds of miles.
If you wanted to get water from the Mississippi River itself all the way west to the Rockies, you'd have to pump it about a mile uphill just to get it to the Denver area.
zwieback 2021-08-17 18:49:41 +0000 UTC [ - ]
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api 2021-08-17 18:51:11 +0000 UTC [ - ]
cronix 2021-08-17 19:18:07 +0000 UTC [ - ]
> The area has struggled with water scarcity for years – but this year has been unlike any other. Amid a historic drought, in May the federal government cut off all irrigation to farmers for the first time in more than a century, in an effort to conserve water for the endangered fish that also share this landscape. The move sparked fear and concern among farmers, some of whom have protested the decision, and put an already challenging way of life in doubt.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/05/drought-...
> The couple's well is among potentially hundreds that have dried up in recent weeks in an area near the Oregon-California border suffering through a historic drought, leaving homes with no running water just a few months after the federal government shut off irrigation to hundreds of the region's farmers for the first time ever.
https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/survive-wells-dr...
This water problem isn't happening in a vacuum.
nradov 2021-08-17 19:43:59 +0000 UTC [ - ]
https://californiascienceweekly.com/2019/06/11/towing-an-ice...
jzawodn 2021-08-17 19:11:38 +0000 UTC [ - ]
xyzzyz 2021-08-17 19:28:03 +0000 UTC [ - ]
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xyzzyz 2021-08-17 19:30:07 +0000 UTC [ - ]
bluGill 2021-08-17 19:46:13 +0000 UTC [ - ]
throwaway0a5e 2021-08-17 19:46:25 +0000 UTC [ - ]
hamburgerwah 2021-08-17 19:03:54 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Arizona was preparing for this possible outcome in the early 1980's. It's a total non event for the state.
Save your outrage for the cities on our coasts whose antiquated and poorly managed treatment systems dump millions of gallons of untreated sewage into our rivers and oceans.
jartelt 2021-08-17 19:53:10 +0000 UTC [ - ]
However, the current drought and temperature projections going forward show that it will be increasingly difficult for CAGRD to find water to inject back into the aquifer to meet its obligations. In the end these suburbs will either need to pay super high rates for water to inject into aquifers or will need to slow growth.
https://www.hcn.org/issues/53.6/south-water-rapid-growth-in-...
tony_cannistra 2021-08-17 20:24:28 +0000 UTC [ - ]
tony_cannistra 2021-08-17 20:20:53 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Arizona gets 35% of its water from the Colorado River [0]. "A literal drop?" I wouldn't agree.
However, since reductions affect various water-using constituencies differently, Tier 1 reductions don't have an effect on municipalities' water availability (but future tiers do) [2].
Again, largely important points you've raised here, but it's also important not to understate the value of the Colorado River / Central Arizona Project in municipalities' water availability and water contingency planning, as you have.
[0]: http://www.arizonawaterfacts.com/water-your-facts [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/16/climate/colorado-river-wa... [2]: https://www.amwua.org/blog/tier-1-shortage-what-does-it-mean...
hamburgerwah 2021-08-17 21:11:24 +0000 UTC [ - ]
My comment was in response to the salacious title that Arizona's water supply has been "slashed" which is not a factually accurate headline.
https://e360.yale.edu/features/how-phoenix-is-preparing-for-...
https://tucson.com/news/local/arizona-water-bank-started-as-...
obelos 2021-08-17 19:57:46 +0000 UTC [ - ]
etc-hosts 2021-08-17 20:08:37 +0000 UTC [ - ]
lotsofpulp 2021-08-17 20:14:16 +0000 UTC [ - ]
ridgeguy 2021-08-17 20:29:56 +0000 UTC [ - ]
These ditches were supplied with water on a scheduled basis. One watered one's lawn by shutting off your downstream neighbor's ditch gate and opening yours on schedule. After your hour or two of flooding, your upstream neighbor would do the same, leaving your deeply flooded yard to absorb the water. This was a 2 or 3 times/week thing.
It was horribly inefficient in terms of evaporation losses. About the only positive aspect I recall is socializing with our neighbors in the after-midnight hours that we usually drew for our turn at the floodgates.
csolorio 2021-08-17 19:12:14 +0000 UTC [ - ]
hamburgerwah 2021-08-17 19:37:00 +0000 UTC [ - ]
wcoenen 2021-08-17 20:14:05 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Tripling would be 200% growth, quadrupling would be 300% growth. Therefore I wasn't sure which one you meant, and I checked: according to [1] there was roughly a tripling from 1.5M to 4.5M between 1980 and 2020.
[1] https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/23099/phoenix/population
1123581321 2021-08-17 19:34:13 +0000 UTC [ - ]
jvanderbot 2021-08-17 20:38:25 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Arizona is not in any form a net contributor to water resources as that is physically impossible unless they are fusing hydrogen and oxygen from space.
If there's no precipitation, every drop of water we have came from someone else's bucket.
perl4ever 2021-08-18 01:57:09 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Arizona is not a closed system, so why would it be impossible for water to be flowing out of the state?
[Or water vapor]
brudgers 2021-08-17 20:07:29 +0000 UTC [ - ]
The Gila River in Arizona is about run dry before it reaches the Apache Nation at San Carlos. Mostly for cotton in the desert. Cotton in the desert is only possible because of water rights.
inpdx 2021-08-17 20:10:03 +0000 UTC [ - ]
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-environme...
It very much sounds like it directly contradicts your confident tone.
hamburgerwah 2021-08-18 00:45:57 +0000 UTC [ - ]
inpdx 2021-08-18 01:24:51 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Keyframe 2021-08-17 19:09:51 +0000 UTC [ - ]
ortusdux 2021-08-17 19:16:21 +0000 UTC [ - ]
http://www.arizonawaterfacts.com/water-your-facts
bob33212 2021-08-17 19:33:25 +0000 UTC [ - ]
tony_cannistra 2021-08-17 20:27:54 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Groundwater replenishment is a huge part of how urban development projects "get away" with assuring 100+year supplies. In a way, this replenishment is sort of equivalent to putting water in a storage tank. Especially when the water comes from somewhere else, like the Colorado River.
bob33212 2021-08-17 20:43:21 +0000 UTC [ - ]
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anonAndOn 2021-08-17 20:32:08 +0000 UTC [ - ]
pm90 2021-08-17 19:34:03 +0000 UTC [ - ]
I was with you until that last comment.
Most West Coast cities have adequate water supplies and management. The drought affects small towns the most. If they are caught off guard its because these are unprecedented weather events. It is reasonable for Arizona to conserve water from the get go. Not so for the west coast, which could rely on precipitation/snow melt for the past several decades.
Also the root cause isn't poor water management by cities, its that the farming industry consumes most of the water.
hamburgerwah 2021-08-17 19:46:02 +0000 UTC [ - ]
There is no municipal grey water systems or mandates. No reasonable person would say anything about southern california's water policy or water history is "responsibly managed". I don't know enough about northern california's situation first hand to offer comment but I would be shocked if it's any better. Oroville remind you of anything?
It is completely true that agriculture consumes many times more water than residential use. California is a complete disaster there too. 25% of irrigable water is diverted to the ocean for the delta smelt, and another 25-40% is controlled by the resnick family's holdings and the sham of the kern county water bank.
dubyah 2021-08-17 21:32:33 +0000 UTC [ - ]
What municipalities mandate greywater systems?
ac29 2021-08-18 01:54:40 +0000 UTC [ - ]
etc-hosts 2021-08-17 20:11:50 +0000 UTC [ - ]
hamburgerwah 2021-08-17 21:27:47 +0000 UTC [ - ]
nradov 2021-08-17 19:40:41 +0000 UTC [ - ]
https://www.montereyherald.com/health/20180224/addressing-th...
djrogers 2021-08-17 20:06:44 +0000 UTC [ - ]
dubyah 2021-08-18 01:19:46 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Sure, Arizona seems to be leading in grey water, but treated effluent are exponentially higher flows and that absolutely is being used and applied in Southern California. GWRS is currently operating at 100 MGD of indirect potable reuse and in the midst of an expansion to 130 MGD and San Diego is currently building their indirect potable system to 83 MGD. All in addition to the 100s of MGD tertiary recycled water distributed via purple pipes and other means throughout the region. This is not to say the current status is sufficient(I'd love to see an exponential expansion on managed aquifer recharge), but seeing a number of recent threads opining as if no "responsible" water management is being done in the region, which is frankly, absurd.
etc-hosts 2021-08-17 20:10:18 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Are they used at scale... anywhere in US?
hamburgerwah 2021-08-17 21:26:48 +0000 UTC [ - ]