What happens to your brain when you give up sugar
brodouevencode 2021-08-18 15:46:40 +0000 UTC [ - ]
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vemv 2021-08-18 15:01:02 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Sugar is a shortcut to get glucose, however it burns fast so if you want to keep the same buzz you'll have to take more sugar. So a vicious cycle of ups and downs will arise.
In contrast, one can take slower-burning glucose sources. The good news is that this stuff is objectively measured by the Glycemic Index; here's a table for a good variety of foods. https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/glyce...
On a good week I'll stick to low GI foods and take no chocolate / red bulls. Will feel productive, and notoriously energetic.
Still one can mix and match - sometimes out of a self-assessment will intentionally seek a short-term boost which (I hope) will not decline sharply because I also ate low-GI foods.
the_duke 2021-08-18 15:04:28 +0000 UTC [ - ]
You can function just fine for prolonged periods of time without ingesting any glucose sources.
It does take the body a while to adjust and ramp up ketone production, which can lead to feeling drained/low energy and induces sugary-rich food cravings.
But that mostly subsides after a few days.
Nice side effect: it is quite common to get a certain sense of eurphoria and well-being after not getting sugar for a few days. The current hypothesis is that one of the ketone bodies (BHB) might have similar effects on the brain as GHB, which is a psychoactive drug. (they have a similar structure, namely they are isomers)
Personally, I feel much more energetic and healthy when skipping carbs and fruits entirely. Even mentally! At least after the initial adjustment. Sadly it's hard to fall back into eating sugar all the time.
aenis 2021-08-18 15:18:47 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Glucose is needed for some red blood cells though, and the body has ways of producing it in absence of food. Those are insignificant amounts.
238475235243 2021-08-18 15:19:08 +0000 UTC [ - ]
No.
In deep ketosis there's gluconeogenisis where the small amount you need will be made for you.
In fact, people on keto or fasting actually report vastly better mental clarity.
strken 2021-08-18 17:03:58 +0000 UTC [ - ]
- converts carbohydrates to glucose on the way in
- stores glucose as glycogen (fast-release energy mostly in the liver and muscles) or storage fat (slow-release energy mostly in dedicated tissue)
- converts glycogen[0] back to glucose when you need energy to burn
You don't need dietary carbohydrates very frequently. Your body will be fine converting glycogen[0] to glucose at an appropriate rate, and you store about a day of glycogen. The problem with dietary carbohydrates is that they always start as glucose and then get stored. If you dump a bunch of simple sugars into your stomach, they all end up in your bloodstream at once (hyperglycemia), your body releases a lot of insulin to cope with the surplus, and then there's a dip (hypoglycemia) afterwards. Once you're through the dip, though, everything should go back to normal.
I think this is the same as what you're saying, just with more detail on why it works that way.
[0] or other things, like fat and protein, in a pinch
kilroy123 2021-08-18 14:58:26 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Now, if I'm in a truly stressful situation, I still get anxiety, but I think it's _appropriate_ anxiety. Big difference.
I also focus a lot better and I'm more clear headed.
ulzeraj 2021-08-18 15:15:59 +0000 UTC [ - ]
On the other hand I can't handle alcohol anymore. Drinking 1/3 of what I could handle makes me feel sick and hangovers are common. I might be wrong but I suppose the body uses lots of sugar to sintetize alcohol.
kilroy123 2021-08-18 16:13:35 +0000 UTC [ - ]
lambdaba 2021-08-18 15:01:46 +0000 UTC [ - ]
lukifer 2021-08-18 16:56:11 +0000 UTC [ - ]
markus_zhang 2021-08-18 15:01:13 +0000 UTC [ - ]
lambdaba 2021-08-18 15:03:02 +0000 UTC [ - ]
treeman79 2021-08-18 16:11:57 +0000 UTC [ - ]
mypastself 2021-08-18 15:02:12 +0000 UTC [ - ]
lambdaba 2021-08-18 15:17:07 +0000 UTC [ - ]
themacguffinman 2021-08-18 19:30:25 +0000 UTC [ - ]
> For now, we would agree with the assertion in the Dietary Guidelines for American (2010) that overconsumption of calories represents the single greatest health threat to individuals in the United States and elsewhere. This may, in part, be linked to the overall consumption patterns in what has been called the “Western” diet. Certainly, added sugars may be considered as components of this overall diet and, therefore, targets for reduction as are other energy dense components of this nutrition pattern. Singling out added sugars as major or unique culprits for metabolically based diseases such as obesity, diabetes, and cardiovascular disease appears inconsistent with modern high quality evidence and is very unlikely to yield health benefits. The reduction of these components of the diet without other reductions seems very unlikely to achieve any meaningful results.
> a reasonable recommended upper limit of sugar may reside at consuming no more than 20% of calories from added sugars and then only in a hypercaloric situation.
An upper limit of 20% isn't high but it's not something I'd characterize as "rare" either.
I admit that I didn't read the whole paper nor do I have a strong scientific background to judge it, but I've seen this kind of finding before and it makes sense to me: sugar is not uniquely terrible but rather a cultural staple of obesity which is the real threat. Sugar as a major bogeyman is an appealing narrative concrete enough to address (eg. with a sugar tax) but is probably not the magic bullet we want it to be.
It used to be fats, now it's sugars. They can both contribute significantly to obesity which is a complex factor that has consistently been found to be bad.
lambdaba 2021-08-18 20:31:58 +0000 UTC [ - ]
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eurasiantiger 2021-08-18 15:01:45 +0000 UTC [ - ]
This is incorrect. Dopamine is not released as a response to a positive stimulus, it is released in anticipation of a positive stimulus.
dota_fanatic 2021-08-18 15:26:04 +0000 UTC [ - ]
eurasiantiger 2021-08-18 19:36:31 +0000 UTC [ - ]
NickM 2021-08-18 15:16:23 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Everyone seems to want to be able to explain every emotion and behavior as the byproduct of a neurotransmitter, e.g. "I'm addicted to the dopamine hits from my phone", "I'm sad because my serotonin is low", "I'm on an endorphin high from that workout", etc. etc.
Besides many of these examples being flat-out wrong, emotions in general are immensely more complex than the simple release of a single chemical in the brain. The belief that everything bad in the brain is just a "chemical imbalance" is a really harmful one IMO, as it turns people away from truly understanding their problems, and replaces any sort of deeper understanding with a desire to simplify everything down to pseudo-scientific brain chemistry quick fixes.
rootusrootus 2021-08-18 14:55:43 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Technically correct, which is the best kind of correct, I suppose. But it does not give me a lot of confidence in any other claims they proceed to make.
criddell 2021-08-18 15:11:42 +0000 UTC [ - ]
> Table sugar, or sucrose, is a disaccharide made up of a molecule of glucose and a molecule of fructose joined together
klik99 2021-08-18 15:33:23 +0000 UTC [ - ]
tlarkworthy 2021-08-18 15:07:23 +0000 UTC [ - ]
It will be one of those facts we will all immediately recognise as obvious in hindsight and wonder why we went along with the fad of cutting out sugar, which had a detrimental effect on our ability to think.
Meanwhile, nutritionists will have moved on to saying calcium isotopes are shortening our lifespan.
kiba 2021-08-18 15:12:55 +0000 UTC [ - ]
watwut 2021-08-18 15:23:07 +0000 UTC [ - ]
JohnWhigham 2021-08-18 15:46:47 +0000 UTC [ - ]
lambdaba 2021-08-18 15:37:22 +0000 UTC [ - ]
tlarkworthy 2021-08-18 15:55:28 +0000 UTC [ - ]
kamaal 2021-08-19 08:12:40 +0000 UTC [ - ]
The modern day food scene is such, you will end up eating sugar no matter much how you avoid eating it. So this is one thing we don't have to worry about.
Most people are eating way more than they should. Even cutting as high as >50% of sugar will still land them in a safe territory.
brianmcc 2021-08-18 14:51:11 +0000 UTC [ - ]
"What happened when I ate ultra-processed food for a month" - https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/articles/van_tulleken
amanaplanacanal 2021-08-18 15:24:52 +0000 UTC [ - ]
brianmcc 2021-08-18 15:40:05 +0000 UTC [ - ]
https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/articles/what_is_ultra-processed_...
Edit: that BBC page in turn links to this, which again looks helpful and reasonably credible from a cursory inspection but I don't endorse it in any further manner:
amanaplanacanal 2021-08-18 17:45:24 +0000 UTC [ - ]
jonathanstrange 2021-08-18 15:17:36 +0000 UTC [ - ]
I now do some "moderate" calorie counting, rough estimates over the day, conscious decisions what I eat and occasional exceptions allowed. So far it looks promising. But I sometimes absolutely need sugar in order to be able focus on work, and if its just in the form of some grapes or a banana. As long as I have to use my brain, I don't think a no sugar diet could work for me. (Even worse are artificial sweeteners, but I suppose their negative impact on the brain is not very controversial anyway.)
This is only anecdotal evidence, of course. From what I've learned from the net on diets is (i) what works for someone may not work for someone else, and (ii) information on the net about dieting ranges from unreliable to contradictory.
seer 2021-08-18 15:31:06 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Apparently when people are kept on a carb diet, but not given enough carbs, their live would suck quite a bit, they would loose muscle (but gain fat), not be able to think straight, etc. Its all fascinating stuff.
I would suggest trying a full water fast for at least 2 days to see how it goes. For me its much less stressful, and after I get rid of all the carbs (24-48 hours, depending on what I was eating before) I would blissfully operate without any problems, including heavy fitness and programming tasks.
And when I get to a point of too little glucose in my brain, because I had to fix a tricky bug, instead of searching for that chocolate treat, I’ll just sit for a but for 5-10 minutes, and let my body break down some of my fat to make more brain juice to operate normally.
You are right though that people are different and this is a fricking complex stuff, and might not work for you, just wanted to mention that there might be more you can try.
dominotw 2021-08-18 15:20:11 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Its not 'no sugar' diet. More of what you seem to be doing.
midnightcity 2021-08-18 14:20:14 +0000 UTC [ - ]
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ModernMech 2021-08-18 18:21:04 +0000 UTC [ - ]
moistly 2021-08-19 03:35:09 +0000 UTC [ - ]
chaircher 2021-08-19 09:43:27 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Akronymus 2021-08-18 15:00:54 +0000 UTC [ - ]
And somehow I don't really miss it, except for occasional "a <sweet thing> would be nice" which surprises me in the sense that I expected I'd be having cravings.
Just "quitting" liquid calories also made a huge difference for me in terms of caloric intake.
criddell 2021-08-18 15:09:29 +0000 UTC [ - ]
tgv 2021-08-18 14:44:32 +0000 UTC [ - ]
nlitened 2021-08-18 15:04:58 +0000 UTC [ - ]
I believe, hundreds of millions people start their day with sugary cereal or some similar "healthy" sugar dessert.
Also, from my experience of losing weight on low carb diets, dropping sugar "cold turkey" leads to absolutely brutal sugar cravings.
lubujackson 2021-08-18 15:14:03 +0000 UTC [ - ]
nlitened 2021-08-18 15:19:55 +0000 UTC [ - ]
popotamonga 2021-08-18 14:50:12 +0000 UTC [ - ]
radmuzom 2021-08-18 14:58:15 +0000 UTC [ - ]
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Sunspark 2021-08-18 15:59:25 +0000 UTC [ - ]
radmuzom 2021-08-18 16:39:40 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Sunspark 2021-08-18 15:30:14 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Sugar is addictive. Full stop.
@popotamonga: Don't eat 1 kg in one go though, that's really bad for your insulin swings in your blood. That 1 kg should last you at least ten days.
merpnderp 2021-08-18 15:03:38 +0000 UTC [ - ]
popotamonga 2021-08-18 15:41:14 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Sunspark 2021-08-18 15:32:28 +0000 UTC [ - ]
RubyRidgeRandy 2021-08-18 14:53:32 +0000 UTC [ - ]
A grande Frappuccino at Starbucks has 64g of sugar, double the daily recommended intake.
otabdeveloper4 2021-08-18 14:55:33 +0000 UTC [ - ]
They do, it's called "breakfast".
dfxm12 2021-08-18 14:52:19 +0000 UTC [ - ]
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codingdave 2021-08-18 14:55:14 +0000 UTC [ - ]
AndrewDucker 2021-08-18 14:50:08 +0000 UTC [ - ]
twox2 2021-08-18 14:47:21 +0000 UTC [ - ]
kwonkicker 2021-08-18 14:51:45 +0000 UTC [ - ]
8ytecoder 2021-08-18 14:55:23 +0000 UTC [ - ]
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/what-is-addiction-201706...
tgv 2021-08-18 14:51:13 +0000 UTC [ - ]
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exhilaration 2021-08-18 15:26:10 +0000 UTC [ - ]
colpabar 2021-08-18 15:03:46 +0000 UTC [ - ]
I did keto for a few months a few years ago, and I did experience this. They call it the "keto flu" because it apparently happens to most people when they first start the diet. It was unpleasant, but it didn't last long, and I felt _incredible_ for the rest of my time on the diet. I lost weight, had a six pack, and had more energy than ever. It's definitely hard (nothing replaces the texture of real bread), but I do wish more people would try it, just to see if it has the same benefits for them that I experienced.
themodelplumber 2021-08-18 14:58:01 +0000 UTC [ - ]
paulpauper 2021-08-18 15:04:57 +0000 UTC [ - ]
exhilaration 2021-08-18 15:27:58 +0000 UTC [ - ]
sidpatil 2021-08-18 15:08:39 +0000 UTC [ - ]
robertwt7 2021-08-18 15:05:23 +0000 UTC [ - ]
hmmokidk 2021-08-18 15:04:46 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Unstoppable midday naps
Vastly improved focus
But I had totally cut out processed sugar from my diet and I have always had a sweet tooth.
Might do it again sometime.
captainmuon 2021-08-18 15:00:57 +0000 UTC [ - ]
I'm trying to cut back on sugar, as in my mid-thirties I'm starting to slightly get the feared dad-bod (extra viscerial fat which is very unhealty).
In the beginning it was rather difficult but after one or two weeks I found I can go longer without sweets. I guess eating slow-burning carbs and non-carb calories is an important factor.
Does anybody here know if it is true that the body adapts to how frequent sugar is available? I don't mean full blown keto, but just dropping the snacks and sugary drinks and having larger pauses between glukose spikes. I've read about it and it matches my experience but it's hard to tell how much is backed by science.
snarf21 2021-08-18 15:21:19 +0000 UTC [ - ]
brodouevencode 2021-08-18 15:34:02 +0000 UTC [ - ]
lukifer 2021-08-18 16:35:52 +0000 UTC [ - ]
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lukifer 2021-08-18 16:45:25 +0000 UTC [ - ]
I’ve started eating a pinch/handful of leafy greens twice a day, as a sort of medicine-for-the-gut; and while the effect is subtle, I’ve definitely noticed a stability boost to mood and energy, especially while I’m not in ketosis.
padobson 2021-08-18 17:02:31 +0000 UTC [ - ]
In my experience, headaches from cutting out carbs are almost always because your body is retaining less water and you're running low on water/electrolytes. Add some salt, zinc, magnesium and potassium to your diet.
When I do extended fasts (1-5 days), I'll literally grind up cal-mag-zinc pills, add salt, and dilute them in warm water and drink them. It tastes awful, and there's products out there that work better, but it feels great once your body absorbs it.
iheartblocks 2021-08-18 21:03:23 +0000 UTC [ - ]
[1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7836627/
JohnWhigham 2021-08-18 15:38:19 +0000 UTC [ - ]
3grdlurker 2021-08-18 15:50:44 +0000 UTC [ - ]
How do you know this?
dominotw 2021-08-18 15:55:03 +0000 UTC [ - ]
or maybe there some other medical condition ( other than insulin resistance) that is causing this. Curious to know what that might be.
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