When did Neil Armstrong set foot on Mars?
a_square_peg 2021-08-18 18:38:31 +0000 UTC [ - ]
outworlder 2021-08-18 18:54:13 +0000 UTC [ - ]
That happens even with humans, so I'm not sure that follows. "Oh, sorry, you meant Mars, I heard Moon"
gameswithgo 2021-08-18 19:48:24 +0000 UTC [ - ]
This to me is similar to current autonomous driving limitations. The cars can only respond to situations they have seen before. Any novel elements lead to failure, where a human can fall back on higher order reasoning: "That is a stoplight yes, but it is on the back of a truck, ignore it" (real example)
a_square_peg 2021-08-18 19:44:52 +0000 UTC [ - ]
I get the same result when I Google 'when did Lance Armstrong land on the moon', 'when did Buzz Lightyear land on the moon', or 'when did Lance Armstrong land on Mars.'
wombatmobile 2021-08-18 19:38:25 +0000 UTC [ - ]
When it happens with humans, it's also an example of non-comprehension, possibly for a different reason.
We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are.
Actually, perhaps that's the same reason.
boublepop 2021-08-18 20:02:07 +0000 UTC [ - ]
This is not a limitation of AI, it’s exactly what you want it to do. It’s reading into the context of the question and finding it more likely that you made a mistake in your question than seriously want an answer for a constructed nonsensical question that has no frame of reference or context in our common knowledge pool.
If you want exact logical answers deduced from base prepositions you don’t want ML models or “AI” your looking at formal logic and deduction.
rasz 2021-08-18 23:11:34 +0000 UTC [ - ]
The way it used to work you had one intelligent entity forming a query and a machine performing said query. Somewhere along the line Google got this idea returning no result was a bad outcome and started overriding queries. Its like you go to the hardware store and ask for nails, but shopkeeper starts telling you all about nail saloons in the vicinity because they ran out of finishing nails - or worse, goes nail saloon -> spa -> finishing -> ending -> happy ending.
We went from intelligent entity forming a query and a machine performing said query to idiot computer treating you line an idiot.
dane-pgp 2021-08-19 02:33:05 +0000 UTC [ - ]
I think this is an important point. Humans and Google have a similar bias (for different reasons) that they want to be helpful or seem knowledgeable when asked a question, so won't say "I am confused by that question" and will rather give an answer to a question which is similar to a question that they can understand, in the hopes that it is approximately right.
In the case of asking when Neil Armstrong landed on Mars, guessing "I think it was in the 60's" is accurate to within 10 years but off by 56 million km. For a good example of what average people think about the solar system, though, consider the question "Is the moon really a planet?" that was once part of an impromptu debate on TV:
https://www.cnet.com/news/qvc-stars-confused-about-whether-t...
patrakov 2021-08-18 19:11:04 +0000 UTC [ - ]
mikewarot 2021-08-18 20:24:20 +0000 UTC [ - ]
dragonwriter 2021-08-18 20:31:51 +0000 UTC [ - ]
big_curses 2021-08-18 18:50:15 +0000 UTC [ - ]
jcranmer 2021-08-18 19:37:06 +0000 UTC [ - ]
The first is that Google has specifically chosen to call out an answer in some kind. If the query is reasonably framed as a question, there is a clear indication in the UI that the response is meant to be an answer to that question.
Now it's definitely the case that a lot of questions have some amount of semantic ambiguity that a listener would have to resolve. For example, a question about a "president" can reasonably be inferred to mean specifically a "US president" of some kind, at least if the query is from the US and is in English.
And sometimes people can ask questions where there's a confused detail. And responding with the question they probably meant to ask is not unreasonable.
However--and this is a big however--it is incumbent to emphasize that the answer is for a different question than the one that was literally asked. You see this when you do searches of misspelled terms: "did you mean this one instead?" Because occasionally, no, you did mean the term that has much fewer results.
And this kind of emphasize-the-answer can have poor results sometimes. Ask Google which president became supreme dictator. The answer makes it clear why it thinks that, but... that's a really different question from the one that was asked.
28220968 2021-08-18 18:59:54 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Google's response here only makes sense if Google said "Did you mean: When did Neil Armstrong land on the moon?"
make3 2021-08-18 18:42:47 +0000 UTC [ - ]
There should be a different model that checks if there is an answer or not, like SQuAD 2.0 https://rajpurkar.github.io/SQuAD-explorer/
bootwoot 2021-08-18 18:50:00 +0000 UTC [ - ]
cryptoz 2021-08-18 18:41:41 +0000 UTC [ - ]
I mean, that's a bit harsh. I bet there are lots of people who would answer the question the exact same way. They don't have a total lack of comprehension, they perhaps misheard a word or misremembered a fact they once knew. Honestly, while the Google answer is wrong and this demonstrates a major flaw in their confidence of answering queries, the level of comprehension is still quite impressive (to me, at least)
Xplune13 2021-08-18 18:47:36 +0000 UTC [ - ]
These knowledge cards are pretty useful, but they shouldn't be taken as the source of fact (at least right now) unless one opens the link to check where that card is extracted from.
notahacker 2021-08-18 19:21:30 +0000 UTC [ - ]
I mean, you probably could get people to answer 1969 for when Neil Armstrong set foot on the poop, but only if they didn't understand the word "poop"
Xplune13 2021-08-19 04:56:51 +0000 UTC [ - ]
It is one thing to not understand a word in the first place and another if you cannot piece it together i.e. assuming you know the language.
notahacker 2021-08-19 08:53:52 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Xplune13 2021-08-19 15:35:25 +0000 UTC [ - ]
bspammer 2021-08-18 19:00:52 +0000 UTC [ - ]
I was wondering what on earth was interesting about this post!
Xplune13 2021-08-19 04:59:15 +0000 UTC [ - ]
salted-fry 2021-08-18 18:43:26 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Google helpfully responds "16 bits", which is pulled from the History section of Wikipedia and hasn't been accurate in something like twenty-five years.
Edit: Should have listened to people saying to screenshot your queries. Google still quotes the paragraph in question, and bolds "16 bits", but no longer puts it in a big bold heading like it's the single answer to your question.
Double Edit: except in chrome, where I do still get the old page. Here's a screenshot for posterity, after Google somehow fixes this: https://i.imgur.com/7Ng6DyK.png
tim333 2021-08-18 22:55:47 +0000 UTC [ - ]
rasz 2021-08-18 23:21:08 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Number of episodes: 8
No. of episodes: 6
garbage in garbage out
mikewarot 2021-08-18 20:25:28 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Imnimo 2021-08-18 18:48:49 +0000 UTC [ - ]
On the other hand, it's a dangerous game. You never know when current events might make a previously never-searched question with a wrong answer very popular.
TchoBeer 2021-08-18 18:52:53 +0000 UTC [ - ]
eitland 2021-08-19 03:45:57 +0000 UTC [ - ]
I've lost a few hours to Google trying to outsmart me and it is maddening: not only do I waste hours but it is not given that I find the magic incantation that gives me the answer.
DuckDuckGo.com is getting better lately but is not stable. Lately I've also started using metager.org which has seemed promising so far.
TchoBeer 2021-08-19 15:31:35 +0000 UTC [ - ]
rafaelturk 2021-08-18 18:37:19 +0000 UTC [ - ]
willchang 2021-08-18 18:25:09 +0000 UTC [ - ]
when did neil armstrong set foot on poop
sorokod 2021-08-18 18:28:26 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Y_Y 2021-08-18 18:37:09 +0000 UTC [ - ]
If nobody has a startup churning out heartwarming books for early childhood using GPT and DCGANs then I call dibs.
sorokod 2021-08-18 18:41:44 +0000 UTC [ - ]
notahacker 2021-08-18 18:59:47 +0000 UTC [ - ]
JFK, on the other hand, apparently "set foot" on the moon on May 25 1961 and "land[ed]" on the moon on September 12 1962, and Arthur C Clarke some time in 1968
Gives a good answer for Homer Simpson though
iosonofuturista 2021-08-18 18:35:07 +0000 UTC [ - ]
https://i.postimg.cc/gcwS9BXB/Screenshot-20210818-193325-453...
stevecat 2021-08-18 18:50:59 +0000 UTC [ - ]
unfunco 2021-08-18 18:37:06 +0000 UTC [ - ]
When did Neil Armstrong moon John F. Kennedy
OneLeggedCat 2021-08-18 19:17:28 +0000 UTC [ - ]
"When did Keith Moon land with Louis Armstrong on Mars"
notahacker 2021-08-18 19:27:02 +0000 UTC [ - ]
ModernMech 2021-08-18 18:51:22 +0000 UTC [ - ]
when did neil armstrong set foot on earth
MiddleEndian 2021-08-18 19:15:13 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Saw this yesterday, my Google search results (regular and image) are basically the same. A bunch of the top results for "desk ornament" are nazi memorabilia for some reason:
wila 2021-08-18 19:58:27 +0000 UTC [ - ]
How did this happen?
prionassembly 2021-08-18 18:18:20 +0000 UTC [ - ]
buu700 2021-08-18 18:27:26 +0000 UTC [ - ]
theandrewbailey 5 hours ago [–]
Try asking for details about things that didn't happen. Google is broken.
ben_w 2021-08-18 19:16:06 +0000 UTC [ - ]
> 1492
And “when did the moon explode” gives me:
> June 18, 1178
garyfirestorm 2021-08-18 18:22:42 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Edit: nvm I got it eventually
tedsanders 2021-08-18 18:31:07 +0000 UTC [ - ]
"What year did Tom Hanks land on the moon?" "1970"
"When did the Simpsons learn to control fire?" "Dec 17, 1989"
"Which river did George Washington drown in?" "The Allegheny River"
It's got to be tough to train an AI that can generalize to (or at least recognize) questions outside its training set. Unfortunately, when 99% of questions containing 'when' and 'Neil Armstrong' have the answer 1969, it will need a pretty sophisticated algo to avoid the trap of learning that it should always answer 1969.
I wrote up another example of this last year based on a question with a real answer that Google still gets wrong: https://www.tedsanders.com/why-does-google-think-the-slowest...
Google (and plenty of other search engines) will all helpfully tell you that the slowest animal is the sloth, which is plainly incorrect if you just look at a video of a sloth and then look at a video of a worm. Despite their reputation, sloths still move visibly.
jcranmer 2021-08-18 19:04:57 +0000 UTC [ - ]
vlovich123 2021-08-18 18:45:52 +0000 UTC [ - ]
II2II 2021-08-18 19:08:13 +0000 UTC [ - ]
In the case of Neil Armstrong, the failure is to state that the answer is for a Moon landing. That would allow the person making the query to realize that the answer was not what they were looking for. In this case it is because Armstrong never landed on Mars. In other cases it may be because the question or data were incorrect.
The current Tom Hanks answer is closer to what should have been done in this regard since it refers to the film directly, though it remains problematic in that it highlights the year to such a degree that the person making the query may ignore the context. (It is also problematic because the film is about a mission that didn't land on the Moon, which could only be determined through further research. Granted, that is more along the lines of your slowest animal example.)
kelnos 2021-08-18 21:39:42 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Would your average person consider a worm an "animal". In the scientific sense, sure, pretty much everything living that is not a plant is an animal, but I think most people don't think of worms when they think of animals.
You can say, "well that's wrong", but that's kinda missing the point. Categories are somewhat arbitrary, and word usage can differ greatly from the scientific or dictionary definition when we're talking about colloquial usage.
freediver 2021-08-18 20:34:13 +0000 UTC [ - ]
- Either a basic, distilled BERT based model (optimized for latency and scale) or
- More likely, still a purely heuristics driven answers system like the one Google has been using for last 10+ years.
The current NLP models are able to quite successfully answer these questions with proper context. In this case ignoring Lance or Mars in question looks more like old-school keyword based heuristics and there is no way it can get this right.
Google is not only allowing mistakes in this, what is considered a fairly difficult problem to solve, but also questions that directly query their own knowledge graph, for example this one querying for a CEO of a well known public company where it returns the wrong answer [2]
This only shows that 'emperor has no clothes' [3] and that there is still a lot of room for innovation left, specially on the 'organizing the world's information' front.
[1] https://kagi.com (currently in private beta)
[3] https://www.quora.com/Is-Google-really-in-a-decline (almost 2M views for the top answer indicate that 'Is Google in decline" is a fairly popular question among presumably Google users)
silisili 2021-08-18 18:47:56 +0000 UTC [ - ]
If you want a weird ride, ask Google 'how many raccoons fit.' A bit NSFW.
heavymark 2021-08-18 18:31:53 +0000 UTC [ - ]
max_ 2021-08-18 20:08:36 +0000 UTC [ - ]
belter 2021-08-18 20:13:56 +0000 UTC [ - ]
m1117 2021-08-18 18:39:56 +0000 UTC [ - ]
AnimalMuppet 2021-08-18 18:44:38 +0000 UTC [ - ]
/s (in case anyone couldn't tell...)
technothrasher 2021-08-18 18:57:12 +0000 UTC [ - ]
polytely 2021-08-18 19:30:37 +0000 UTC [ - ]
autokad 2021-08-18 19:35:23 +0000 UTC [ - ]
polytely 2021-08-18 21:11:52 +0000 UTC [ - ]
The fix is quite easy too, just have an AI driven system with human supervision, I think at this point it is well known that a human + AI will basically always trump an AI and it's not like google doesn't have the resources to pull this off. You could build a database of verified facts that are often googled, have the AI gather data, have humans do a sanity check.
It's probably just some scheme to get someone promoted inside Google, the infobox is a side-effect of someone's career plan, it doesn't really matter if it actually works as long as it hits some key metric that gets used in an evaluation somewhere, who cares about propagating misinformation and falsehoods google is still making money. It makes me depressed.
lkbm 2021-08-18 19:00:00 +0000 UTC [ - ]
("First woman in space" result snippet is about Sally Ride, the first American in space. First result, below that is the Wikipedia entry for Valentina Tereshkova, the first woman in space.)
1970-01-01 2021-08-18 18:53:00 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Awesome. I must of been busy that day, I would of remembered that.
edit: its been fixed. here it was: https://ibb.co/myxWK3C
outworlder 2021-08-18 18:57:31 +0000 UTC [ - ]
As a non-native speaker, I'm having trouble understanding the sentence, specially the "I must of", "I would of" constructions. Is this some style choice I don't know about?
gabrielsroka 2021-08-18 19:02:33 +0000 UTC [ - ]
I must've...
Have sounds like of, so it's often written incorrectly.
MiddleEndian 2021-08-18 19:12:02 +0000 UTC [ - ]
padheyam 2021-08-18 18:22:08 +0000 UTC [ - ]
firebaze 2021-08-18 20:06:10 +0000 UTC [ - ]
travoc 2021-08-18 18:53:16 +0000 UTC [ - ]
pietromenna 2021-08-18 18:22:22 +0000 UTC [ - ]
sschueller 2021-08-18 18:52:09 +0000 UTC [ - ]
allanrbo 2021-08-18 18:28:09 +0000 UTC [ - ]
okareaman 2021-08-18 18:42:41 +0000 UTC [ - ]
bellyfullofbac 2021-08-18 19:16:12 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Asking my phone via voice returns a sentence that starts with "Armstrong..." and talks about Neil's moon walk.
This is... a bit aggravating.
Man, referring to the story the guy whose photo Google attached to the text talking about a serial killer with his name, what if Google returns a question about him with a sentence about the serial killer?
E.g. something like "What is Barack Osama famous for?" "Osama is well-known as a terrorist". At least most of the world knows this isn't true, again what if it's Joe Neighbor, who shares a name with Joe Child Molester...
ChrisArchitect 2021-08-18 19:37:15 +0000 UTC [ - ]
titzer 2021-08-18 18:41:46 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Please take a screenshot for posterity.
BitwiseFool 2021-08-18 18:48:14 +0000 UTC [ - ]
MereInterest 2021-08-18 18:53:23 +0000 UTC [ - ]
I understand the advantages of A/B testing from a development side, but it makes for a miserable user experience.
akiselev 2021-08-18 20:04:44 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Apparently Louis Armstrong, the legendary jazz musician, was there with Neil Armstrong on the Moon in July 1969 as the oldest astronaut in history, a few years before his death at the age of 69. [1]
[1] https://imgur.com/a/0JyDB70
belter 2021-08-19 01:03:19 +0000 UTC [ - ]
[0] https://www.google.com/search?q=when+did+google+shutdown%3F&...
easton 2021-08-18 18:49:01 +0000 UTC [ - ]
arthurcolle 2021-08-18 18:51:45 +0000 UTC [ - ]
easton 2021-08-18 18:53:14 +0000 UTC [ - ]
jumelles 2021-08-18 18:55:49 +0000 UTC [ - ]
tkinom 2021-08-19 00:16:16 +0000 UTC [ - ]
"Google Search Page" -> Setting (icon, upper right) -> "Dark Theme: Off/On" (Last Entry in the drop down menu)
askl56 2021-08-19 00:09:53 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Works pretty well for 99% of sites.
lokedhs 2021-08-19 04:56:30 +0000 UTC [ - ]
I have pretty bad astigmatism, and I cannot read pages with dark background. There used to be an extension I used for this purpose, but it stopped working several years ago, and I have suffered ever since. Going into developer mode to play around with the stylesheet works, but is a huge hassle.
ahmedfromtunis 2021-08-19 05:01:53 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Actually, it has a switcher that lets you choose to darken or enlighten the webpages you read.
Honestly, I never understood why they had that option, but now I get it.
jedberg 2021-08-18 20:22:16 +0000 UTC [ - ]
tshaddox 2021-08-18 18:53:27 +0000 UTC [ - ]
aendruk 2021-08-18 22:12:56 +0000 UTC [ - ]
belter 2021-08-18 18:50:15 +0000 UTC [ - ]
lstamour 2021-08-18 18:50:32 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Edit: corrected, thanks :)
mynameisvlad 2021-08-18 18:53:14 +0000 UTC [ - ]
morganvachon 2021-08-18 18:53:04 +0000 UTC [ - ]
Did you mean to say "the Moon instead of Mars"?
ben_w 2021-08-18 19:11:58 +0000 UTC [ - ]
sdefresne 2021-08-18 18:59:44 +0000 UTC [ - ]
So looks like the Google result ignores the celestial body in the query.
notRobot 2021-08-19 05:43:33 +0000 UTC [ - ]
thewakalix 2021-08-18 18:49:47 +0000 UTC [ - ]
FridayoLeary 2021-08-18 23:09:25 +0000 UTC [ - ]
geofft 2021-08-18 18:48:31 +0000 UTC [ - ]
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spoonjim 2021-08-18 18:52:24 +0000 UTC [ - ]
oh_sigh 2021-08-18 18:58:26 +0000 UTC [ - ]
ref: https://www.historytoday.com/miscellanies/how-europe-learnt-...
dane-pgp 2021-08-19 02:18:46 +0000 UTC [ - ]
It immediately follows the description of those swimming bans with other 16th century examples of Tudor scholars endorsing and writing guides on swimming, resulting in an article that's an interesting read but with a poorly supported thesis.
ahmedfromtunis 2021-08-18 20:41:14 +0000 UTC [ - ]
cyounkins 2021-08-18 20:26:53 +0000 UTC [ - ]