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Reading Hayek in Holland

derriz 2021-08-19 16:46:20 +0000 UTC [ - ]

An issue I have with this essay is that it assumes that it's the absence of central planning which gives rise to unlivable and automobile dominated cities.

But if you look at old photos of European or American cities before the rise of the internal combustion engine, you typically see a completely unplanned street usage: bicycles, pedestrians, horse drawn vehicles, kids running amok, etc. all sharing the space in seeming anarchy.

It required massive central planning to replace this shared space with segregated streets with 90% of the space dedicated solely to motorised traffic. Entire neighbourhoods were razed to allow central planners to run huge new traffic arteries through the centers of cities. Land was "opened up" for suburban development through central planning and massive centrally planned road and motorway building.

I guess my point is that associating "central planning" with liveable patterns of development does not seem reasonable to me. Central planning can and has been used for good and for bad - it was used to destroy urban environments in favour of motorised vehicles in some places, just as it's been used to promote much more liveable development patterns in places like the Netherlands.

nickff 2021-08-19 17:05:09 +0000 UTC [ - ]

"Zoned in the USA" describes the history of zoning in Canada and the USA, which accords with your view. James C. Scott's "Seeing Like a State" includes the example of razing neighborhoods (in Paris) as you describe.

JackFr 2021-08-19 16:51:58 +0000 UTC [ - ]

This post off-base in all dimensions. The Heritage Foundation economic freedom index ranks the Netherlands ahead of the the United States.

Zoning and regional transportation planning are not the central planning to which Hayek is talking about. And one only has to look at the farmer protests of 2019-2020 to see the popular response when the government overreaches.

Additionally all of the dunks on the US are misguided. The Netherlands is a country of 18 million people, in one of the flattest countries in existence with >90% of the population in urban areas. “We love bikes.” Well, duh.

blippage 2021-08-19 16:37:34 +0000 UTC [ - ]

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design." -- Friedrich Hayek

But who wants to listen to that, right?

Iamadog19782364 2021-08-19 16:49:39 +0000 UTC [ - ]

The author immediately contrasts the US, which itself is planned. Pretty silly if you ask me. I don't think there's a nation in the world that actually applies the liberal capitalist mode as Hayek wishes it to be applied. I would say because of the perception that America is the laissez-faire model, the culture of the US allows it to be further perverted while still maintaining the sheen of its laurels as a liberal state.